But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. This is from 2002. Yeah, the social worker called and told me the mother had given birth. I mean, youre just youre saying a lot of things that are really impressive. PAT: But along with the support came attacks, particularly as drug-addicted women began to sign up. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. You know, you've got all these chemicals around. They lived longer lives, something like 30 years on average. JAD: I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. He'd fall asleep and just wake up screaming. Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. Radiolab's broadcast edition airs as an hour-long program each week while the . MICHAEL MEANEY: What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. JAD: In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. I do mean that. What's he talking about? It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. He is passionate about scholarly writing, World History, and Political sciences. There was a newspaper called The Daily Express and they have these headlines that come out. ROBERT: Rewrite their their blueprint? BARBARA HARRIS: I mean, I'm married to a Black man. Who are you? Oh actually, real thing, before we go, Latif. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. When Emil gets to be eight, I'm cutting him off. We spay them. Yes, she has the same name as me. JAD: Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. OLOV BYGREN: The results are there. What do I know? All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. Lynn has become one of Barbara's fiercest critics. You know? ROBERT: So then the one that's in trouble, so thats one of one of eight? LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when we're recording this, we have not broken the show. You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. JAD: And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. I agree with Lynn, that this program does perpetuate a stereotype. DESTINY HARRIS: Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. Live shows were first offered in 2008. In RadioLab a laboratory setting is used, in which the player receives radioactive stones that emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation particles. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. SAM KEAN: But this was a really, really tough place to grow up. Or is it? And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. SAM KEAN: No, they did not have them on land. This week The Science Show introduces Radiolab from WNYC in New York City. Maybe more. And very often, one of them will just go crashing into the DNA and it'll stick there like a barnacle or a glob of peanut butter. And um PAT: Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. JAD: And at first, it didn't go so well because, you know, if you're a land toad and you're trying to have sex in the water, it's kind of hard. Because he couldn't hold formula down. But along with the support came attacks, particularly as drug-addicted women began to sign up. One parent stretching isnt going to do anything, see thats the bummer of Darwinian evolution. CARL ZIMMER: And he makes a very careful study of this hand. All jokes aside. ROBERT: And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. And he was going through withdrawal. PAT: And in 1989, when the story we're telling now started, she was living in California, in Orange County. It says, "Race of Supermen." JAD: Do you have any theories for how this tongue is tickling the DNA, or whatever it's doing? She and I snuck away from the children into her office. How much of you will echo into the future and how much of you won't? Could you just tell us what you are doing now? 01:04:34 - Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. I just have to read this to you. It takes a while. Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over time. Like, "How did this happen? Okay. And these effects, in fact, were so strong that you could trace it to the grandfather. BARBARA HARRIS: Barbara Harris. This lady right here is still taking drugs and she could be pregnant again next month.]. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. You know, they say it only takes one time. She's not offering treatment, she's not offering counseling, and there are programs that do that. And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. PAT: I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org.]. And that's when things would start to get out of control. I want her to be able to look back on her life one day, maybe when she's getting interviewed, I don't know, and be able to say that, "Yes, my mom was there for me 100% without a doubt." No, not brain cells. I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. You're finishing college, right? I wonder how much you believe in it. JAD: In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. Stick around. BARBARA HARRIS: That's how we ended up with four of them. SAM KEAN: And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. PAT: Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. PAT: Like shed give the women a choice. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: This is real physical-chemical interaction between what's going on in the environment and what's going on with the DNA. Yes, no, okay, move on to the next cage, yes, no? KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Heart disease. Anyhow, so you got this guy, Paul Kammerer, who's good with animals. DESTINY HARRIS: Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. Oh my goodness. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. With a child, they give you a whole folder full of information, tells you all about them. I don't think that puts me in the same category as Hitler. This is the verkalix church parish record. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. So some scientists began to ask Kammerer if they could look at his toads. To fellow named Jean-Baptiste Pierre Antoine de Monet, chevalier de Lamarck. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Not usually because it upsets people and I'm Canadian. That's what I remember her saying. You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. PAT: I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. He said, "If you were a boy, and you starve between the ages of 9 and 12, and then you went on to become a father, then a grandfather, your grandkids". I said, "This will be the last one. [laughs] Can you say, "Never, ever?" They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. JAD: Serotonin gets into the brain cells, and according to Michael unleashes MICHAEL MEANEY: A whole series of molecular events inside the cell. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. Radiolab: Inheritance - Mastering Rhetoric Radiolab: Inheritance Posted on February 26, 2013 by wlin4 So I listened to Radiolab's story on "Inheritance" which talks about genetics. JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. These were kids that didn't end up with Barbara? But she says, you can tell right away, just by looking, that some rat moms don't lick their kids a lot. PAT: The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody BARBARA HARRIS: Should say, "You're not doing this. All jokes aside. Well, I just want to eliminate drug-addicted babies from being born. PAT: But were getting ahead of ourselves here. ROBERT: That's interesting. It's off-limits. Wow. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. JAD: Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. But with the midwife toad, the female Lays her eggs on land and then the male midwife toad comes along And actually kind of sticks them to his back legs, like a bunch of whitish grapes, and then hops around with them basically until they hatch. [chuckles]. DESTINY HARRIS: And right now, I'm student teaching. Take a look, explore and subscribe! Sincerely, Jennifer.". They like to hang out in the water and the females like to lay eggs in the water. So we did stop. SAM KEAN: I should add too. SAM KEAN: Really slowly, gradually, achingly slowly. So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. He thought that because theyre swinging hammers all day, they got big bulky muscles, and then theyd pass the muscles to their children. ROBERT: Thats what Darwin says, you cant. Who are they? It happens. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? She did. Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. And The other day someone was whistling and I was like, "Stop it", and it just hit me, I was like, "Oh God, I was him", it's never appeared until now. The kingdom archive. This is from 2002. I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. That was it. But with the midwife toad, the female SAM KEAN: Lays her eggs on land and then the male midwife toad comes along SAM KEAN: And actually kind of sticks them to his back legs, like a bunch of whitish grapes, and then hops around with them basically until they hatch. Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. All the babies I had seen and all the people that have called me to tell me about their babies that were damaged. SAM KEAN: It seemed to have been passed down for multiple generations. If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. ROBERT: What a name, you've got to like this guy. Remind me this. The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". Just a little. Then World War One came and that disrupted everything. How was this woman allowed", BARBARA HARRIS: "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". BARBARA HARRIS: "I want to thank you for your support and kindness as always." PAT: Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, it drifts into something like a shopping channel. So now, the genes can make the proteins that make the rats a good mom? SAM KEAN: It was this struggle for a few years. Were less prone to diabetes. It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. Like, mine are bigger, you know." PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. [chuckles]. PAT: Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. LYNN PALTROW: Are there people whose drug use is so out of control they can't parent? PAT: That's really impressive. PAT: She did. And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. Inheritance | Radiolab Podcast 4,710 views Apr 8, 2022 Radiolab 43.8K subscribers From the Radiolab podcast: How your grandfather's diet can affect your lifespan, heart health and even. Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. She started to wish again that she could have a daughter. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. She and I snuck away from the children into her office. The results are obvious to you. Since birth. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." And the incredible thing is, those marks stick around. So, the thought is, when those little boys in verkalix were really, really hungry, their hunger started a chemical process that reached all the way down to the DNA inside the boy's sperm. ROBERT: Are you near the Arctic Circle or OLOV BYGREN: My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. ROBERT: If your grandpa didn't starve, instead he lived through great times. More what kind of stuff? Its something I still think about all the time. This is what's called the slow growth period. Like shed give the women a choice. Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. Then, Carl told us about this research that showed Well, he couldn't quite remember the details. by Nolan Moore. The neural chemical signal that gets activated during licking, is serotonin. PAT: And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. JAD: Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. Radiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. BARBARA HARRIS: He wasn't a little happy baby. But it failed. RADIOLAB Podcast "Inheritance" Homework Assignment Name: Rohan Desai PSUID: 9 6241 8529 Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. Theyd basically starve. The next stage, yes, no? ROBERT: Which, when you think about it, it has a very Lamarckian flavor. So by now it's 1994, and Barbara is thinking You know? ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. And there were from the beginning. I know I've been joking a lot in this interview, but I mean it with all that I am. And I think that no, I didn't plan on it but I wouldn't take her back for anything because she made me better. What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. Peanut butter, there we go. Where we sought, they will find. PAT: And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. Where we sought, they will find. JAD: Its an idea thats been kicking around for me since my kids were born. JAD: I dont know. PAT: And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. JAD: They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. Destiny has, what, three brothers and sisters that also were raised with her? CARL ZIMMER: So they can grab onto the female and hold tight while they're mating. In those books you can read everything about the citizens of verkalix, going back hundreds of years. But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. If your grandpa didn't starve, instead he lived through great times. I know what I'll do, I'm going to set up a terrarium for them and I'm going to make it hot, really uncomfortably hot. Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. Knock it right off the DNA. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. She was thinking BARBARA HARRIS: "Everybody's motivated by money., BARBARA HARRIS: Can I offer these women money to use birth control? This great. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. And they had more. She was totally an oops kid. Thyroid hormones then get into the brain and they turn on certain neural chemical signals. I don't know where she gets that from. And Barbara is not offering that. PEJK MALINOVSKI: Okay, I'm here. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. His example with humans was a blacksmith. CARL ZIMMER: More information about Sloan at JAD: Yeah, we're exploring questions of lwhat can you pass down to your kids and their kids? Listen Feb 3, 2023 Ukraine: The Handoff Pregnancy, and choice, in a war. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. MICHAEL MEANEY: So thats the reason, of course, that we work with rats because we can get inside the brain. We all know this, that there are cycles of abuse or whatever. That was nice. Like, mine are bigger, you know." ROBERT: But, this hour were gonna fight this sort of sad sack feeling of inevitability and impotence. More brain cells? In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. SAM KEAN: He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. Well, this is it! Even if it helps, it's horrifying. What exactly happens between 9 to 12 that makes this big difference? Well, the DNA, the RNA, micro-RNAs, histone. That was the implication, except Kammerer tried to defend himself by saying "Do you think I'm a Dummkopf, or an idiot, because that's what I would have to be if I left a forgery with ink standing around openly in the laboratory where so many of my enemies would have entry?". I mean, they didn't have porridge. This was a really radical place at the time because you have to remember that people studying animals up till now, they were basically studying preserved specimens, and so on. One time, and I'm on flighter. [2] LATIF: Its so good that it makes you not want to trash the house, you know what I mean? ROBERT: Well, so here's the thing. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. Whole lifetime of stretching. CARL ZIMMER: You know, the fact is that taking care of animals, trying to keep them alive in a building is not an easy thing, especially if it's 1903. And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. JAD: Well, its offensive. PAT: Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? ROBERT: You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? I mean, it's pretty common but like, here's a for instance, my dad from my entire life had this thing where if someone was whistling, he would. MICHAEL MEANEY: I was an undergraduate student. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Probably racist.]. Suddenly you're marked. You mean, if you had a starving grandfather, you would be a healthier boy for the because you had a starving grandfather? like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. Is it a big town? You can't change your DNA. That's how we ended up with four of them. MICHAEL MEANEY: So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. I went to the hospital and picked him up. Who now works at Columbia University. You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" That's a lot of people. And, I mean, I have straight A's and I'm making it work. JEAN KEAN: My name is Jean Kean. The authoritative record of programming is the audio record. So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. BARBARA HARRIS: After I've gotten to know so many of the women. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and chan JAD: It makes a kind of common sense, really. CARL ZIMMER: mouse or rat? And it just so happens this town is a perfect place to dig. Yeah. Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It says "registrera", register. JAD: I know! Its something I still think about all the time. I don't think that puts me in the same category as Hitler. And Barbara and Destiny walked me out to my car. LYNN PALTROW: Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. Like, "How did this happen? Brain disease. PAT: So we did stop. We neuter them.". Completely answer all questions in Section I AND Section IV. So then over the next 70 some odd years, Lamarck basically became the poster boy for, like, the big dumb idea, the idea that you want to believe in but that you know isn't true. That tongue is doing something to the DNA. It's a little odd, actually. But if you've got a mom who licks you. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Yes, yes. More what kind of stuff? PAT: Who gave Destiny her first checkup told Barbara BARBARA HARRIS: That she was delayed and she was always going to be delayed because of her prenatal neglect. MICHAEL MEANEY: I think the Swedish data are really, really strong, and very reliable. What a name, you've got to like this guy. I make a difference to her. PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. Move on to the next cage yes, no? Kinda makes me claustrophobic. PAT: Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. Listen Feb 10, 2023 Bliss When did you last shout from happiness? They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. I didn't see them as people. Yep, Im a professor in the faculty of medicine at McGill University in Montreal. Thats like, I mean, that seems like a thing that would be frightening. And she's a complete nut. JAD: They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! CARL ZIMMER: Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. ROBERT: So you think you can get deep down? I'm Executive Director and Founder of National Advocates for Pregnant Women. That was it. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: She's offering $200. He actually coined the word biology, too. 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